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Poll: Was Metro Right to Delay Subway Decision?

A Century City station location for the Westside Subway Extension has yet to be finalized.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority Board of Directors approved the Westside Subway Extension Thursday, but has yet to finalize the placement of a subway stop in Century City—an issue that has provoked passionate responses from Beverly Hills, Century City and Westwood.

For coverage of Thursday's meeting, click the links below:

The Metro board granted on the safety of tunneling under Beverly Hills High School, delaying a vote on the exact locations and alignment of the subway stations west of La Cienega Boulevard until after the hearing. The first phase of the project from Western/Wilshire to La Cienega/Wilshire was approved.

Patch wants to know what you think about Metro's decision to push back the vote on the Century City station.

Should Metro go ahead with its recommendation to put a stop on Constellation Boulevard? Was it right to delay approving that station until its public hearing with Beverly Hills? Vote in our poll and tell us what you think in the comments section below.

Redsudinsu April 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Is it not time already to put aside the complaints of the City of Beverly Hills? Once again we have seen an administrative body cave to the NIMBY people stopping the creation of jobs and a useful public transportation system.
John Heidt April 27, 2012 at 01:30 PM
Good science, pressurized drilling rigs, perfect safety record, subway goes under the Pentagon,certainly the subway can go under BH High School in order to properly serve Century City! Duhhh
Craig Bruenell April 27, 2012 at 03:13 PM
Beverly Hills will be outnumbered in any poll just by sheer numbers, so this poll is invalid. Percentages from the different areas would be a better indicator. It's also not fair to say that enough public hearings have been held, because moving the subway to Constellation Blvd is a recent decision. This question makes it seem like it's been in the works for 20 years and Beverly Hills is just complaining about it now.
Minoter April 27, 2012 at 04:03 PM
There are documents from the 1960s (turned in at the Metro hearing) showing that Constellation was the choice with a tunnel under BHHS way back then. It's nothing new. Constellation has safety and ridership. That's what matters. Remember the Chunnel?
R. Zaften April 27, 2012 at 05:51 PM
I love this poll! You go, Sara and Marie! I love how the first choice assumes that Metro hasn't completely analyzed the studies. They probably have (I mean, it's their job), but screw 'em. We need to do what we need to do to keep them from tunneling under our school! They've picked the wrong city to dig under, that's for sure! Go Normans!
Minoter April 27, 2012 at 07:39 PM
the results of this poll so far say that you, Zaften, lose. Since Metro experts say they will not build a SM Blvd. subway station because it's too dangerous, you'd rather just skip Century City because of a tunnel under your HS field and one single story building that is going to be demolished anyhow. BHUSD appears willing to go broke fighting this nonsense. Maybe they should just skip the Rodeo stop and angle straight to Constellation.
BHHS Student April 27, 2012 at 07:45 PM
Craig, have you been following the project for the last FIVE years, since 2007? I have, and guess what - Constellation has ALWAYS been a station option for Century City. So get your facts straight before you start forming your baseless opinions. And this subway is a project for the REGION, not just Beverly Hills, and will help thousands of people reach their jobs, including in the CENTER of Century City, not next to a golf course and on a fault line. Constellation is the clear answer in terms of ridership, the science, safety, etc. Time to stop this nonsensical war on science and facts and BUILD THE SUBWAY
Craig Bruenell April 27, 2012 at 08:45 PM
My mistake. Sorry. Maybe the Constellation station was always there, but from what I've been told and read, SMB was the preferred station until the last minute. Maybe BH's mistake was not fighting the possibility of Constellation 40 years ago. I have little confidence in the safety of tunneling under the school. There's methane gas and old undocumented oil fields down there. Even the remote possibility of a mistake could cause an explosion, burn down the school, and kill people. An above ground station at SMB to me is the best solution if there really is an earthquake fault there. And if there is a fault, why has a 20 story building been approved for the area? As I said before, @Minoter, Beverly Hills will be outnumbered in any poll just by sheer numbers. We're a small city. Percentages from the different areas would be a better indicator. I'd be surprised if it showed anything other than BH against and the rest of LA county in favor, but if you thought this tunneling would have the slightest chance of hurting your kids, wouldn't you fight for another route?
Stephen Webb April 27, 2012 at 10:18 PM
BH's request is not unreasonable nor will it cause any delays in a process that still has years to go before any construction commences. The concerns raised concerning student safety deserve a separate hearing to allow the parties a reasonable amount of time to address the issues rather than the 1 minute allotted. This will also force some of the Board members to actually listen to the science before they vote. Again all of us in BH support the westside extension, we just want some further assurance re safety concerns under an 80 yr old HS building. Thank you for understanding.
Stephen Webb April 27, 2012 at 10:18 PM
BH's request is not unreasonable nor will it cause any delays in a process that still has years to go before any construction commences. The concerns raised concerning student safety deserve a separate hearing to allow the parties a reasonable amount of time to address the issues rather than the 1 minute allotted. This will also force some of the Board members to actually listen to the science before they vote. Again all of us in BH support the westside extension, we just want some further assurance re safety concerns under an 80 yr old HS building. Thank you for understanding.
R. Zaften April 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM
We're not going broke, no chance of that. Already spent $2 million and I'm sure we'll spend whatever it takes to hire our own experts who will say what we want them to say. AKA, the truth!
Minoter April 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM
Craig- If you're getting your information from the Courier, you have not been truthfully informed. No credible geologist or seismic expert with international repute will say it's safe to tunnel under something that is not safe. The tunneling will be under Westwood homes built in the 20s and 30s. People live in these homes with kids day and night. The subways are currently built under Universal Studios, museums, hospitals, etc. and all is fine. If you consult ZIMAS, it is a great source for looking at methane gas fields. They are under most areas of north Westwood which also has abandoned oil drilling sites. Try to understand that BHHS is not special and the tunnel will not go under the main building, only the field and a one story building that is destined for demolition.
Craig Bruenell April 28, 2012 at 02:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81tihdzaecc This video shows what Beverly Hills people are thinking. Is it legitimate? You probably feel it isn't, and that it's scare tactics or something like that. In the video it shows the trenching the city paid for and looking at that it seems like the tunnel will go under the main building. What would be the motivation for scaring us? If safety is really not a concern, then the only other issue I can think of is construction. It'll be prohibitively expensive to build or remodel. If safety is a diversion and construction is really the only beef, then BH deserves to lose this battle. The science will tell.
Joe Parker April 28, 2012 at 07:46 PM
Sorry, Craig, I differ that this video shows what BH people are thinking. It's not what I'm thinking. The video is too sensational for my tastes. I would have preferred a more scientific film that was less visually emotional - a film that focused not only on the methane gas concerns, but also the extra costs of tunneling, the faulty methodology in Metro's ridership numbers, the erroneous conclusions drawn from their flawed seismic studies, and their inconsistencies. We have all the data to put into such a film. Of course a fun, sensational rap video made by high school students would have been appropriate too.
John Mirisch April 30, 2012 at 07:25 AM
Wrong, BHHS Student: Constellation has not "ALWAYS" been a station option. Or if it has and Metro knew about it, then Metro consciously duped the BH Mass Transit Committee with which it had meetings for the better part of a year by not mentioning it with a single syllable. Time to go to Carter and get a note to allow you to complete all that unfinished homework. Oh, yeah: and also time to take a course in good government. And if you're so concerned about having a subway station in the "CENTER" of an area, then how about advocating for a subway station in the center of Westwood, one which would actually help UCLA students? And how about advocating a station on Barrington and Wilshire, rather than on the leafy VA campus? And how about fighting against Metro's most recent bait-and-switch on Fairfax which will disadvantage disabled transit users? Or against their repeated civil rights violations? Or if you really are so convinced that there's a fault on Santa Monica, how about reserving your vitriol for the LA planners who recently entitled a 37 story skyscraper right in the purported danger zone? Time to stop this nonsensical war on logic, common sense and good government and replace Metro with an agency which makes decisions from the ground-up rather than politicized, top-down, bureaucratic decisions which are not anchored in local control. And time for you, BHHS student, to stop ditching civics.
John Mirisch April 30, 2012 at 07:44 AM
According to the Exponent report, the area proposed for the Constellation station has among the highest levels of methane in the region. And, no, there are no plans to demolish the historic high school. And, yes, the tunnels would go under the main, historic building. And even if a demolition were planned, there is no precedent from DSA to allow for building a school instructional building over a heavy-rail subway tunnel. It has simply never happened in the state of California. To suggest that tunneling under the HS is the only "safe" alternative is part of a Metro strategy which I wrote about almost a year ago, predicting exactly what their "experts" would find. It is hardly surprising that those conclusions have been called into question. If SM really is so "dangerous," then how does it make any sense at all that LA recently entitled a 37 story condo tower "with kids day and night"? There is something very fishy here, and it's the smell of developer dollars and politicized decision making from ambitious politicians. It seems that not only will Metro throw BH schoolkids under the bus, they'll throw disabled people and minorities under the bus if the price is right. What's next? Nuns? Orphans? It seems that you think that nobody is "special," only subway riders - not even those who use other forms of mass transit.
R. Zaften May 01, 2012 at 12:44 AM
I feel like that's an unfair statement. You can disagree with our position, but you can't claim we are stopping job creation -- in fact, we've hired experts, engineers, PR people. Those are high paying jobs, higher paying the jobs building the subway will create! And if we're talking about utility, what's more useful, a subway that disrupts a school that's been around 100 years or a subway that is bordered by a beautiful golf course where the noise and vibration wouldn't bother anyone? That's what I thought.
Joe Parker May 01, 2012 at 04:38 AM
Perfect safety record? Who? Not Metro. 103 people have died from the Blue Line, considered the deadliest rail system in the nation.
Dee Holtzman May 22, 2012 at 07:44 PM
R. Zaften: 1. subway won't disrupt a school. 2. school doesn't seem to mind having an active oil well underneath. 3. many more people want to get to and from Century City than to and from the golf course! 4. the school you may love from the TV show is actually in Torrance.
Dee Holtzman May 22, 2012 at 07:52 PM
Joe Parker: we're talking subway, not light rail. Craig Bruenell: the subway is being built for the people of the Metro service area, not just Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills is lucky it's getting a Rodeo Drive stop.

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